Human corpses keep moving for over a year after death, scientist says (2019)
(newsweek.com)99 points by andrewaylett 4 days ago | 75 comments
99 points by andrewaylett 4 days ago | 75 comments
lostlogin 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
A MR tech colleague was scanning a cadaver one night after hours for someone’s research project (possibly on ultra short TE imaging). She finished a scan then reviewed it. They were moving and the images suffered from motion artifact. Presumably defrosting or something.
She wasn’t ok with this.
ConfusedDog 3 days ago | root | parent |
That's funny. Traumatic for her, but funny.
cebert 4 days ago | root | parent | prev |
Someone needs to do research like this, but I would have a very difficult time with the subject matter.
quitit 2 days ago | root | parent | next |
It’s a fair bit more common than you might assume. This article talks about 6 of such “body farms” in the USA.
They are focussed on learning about decomposition in different settings, such as being wrapped in plastic, carpet, in a car’s trunk etc.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2015/06/10/th...
yndoendo 2 days ago | root | parent | prev |
Someone that runs a funeral home wouldn't have an issue. They are the ones that cut up a body, that is donated to science, and ship parts around to buyers. Most institutions only want part of a body for testing and studying so a whole body is worth less than a cut up body.
Now does the post-mortal movement still occur in body parts versus the whole body?
r721 4 days ago | prev | next |
Reminds me of lesser known Lem's novel:
rwmj 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
The idea that brains keep going / can be kept going after death was pretty central to PKD's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubik
thesuitonym 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
I love how 60s SF authors were absolutely certain that psychic powers were going to be unlocked.
kjkjadksj 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
To be fair CIA documents said as much
weberer 3 days ago | root | parent |
Not many people realize how official some of these things are.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R0017002...
mjfl 2 days ago | root | parent | prev |
Phillip K Dick in particular thought that Jesus was communicating with him from the future via tachyons.
DonHopkins 3 days ago | root | parent | prev |
Lem and Dick are such precious peas in a pod!
Too bad Dick reported to the FBI that Lem was a faceless composite communist committee out to get him and brainwash the youth of America and undermine American SF with "crude, insulting and downright ignorant attacks", while Lem asymmetrically thought all science fiction writers were charlatans except for Philip K Dick.
https://english.lem.pl/faq#P.K.Dick
https://culture.pl/en/article/philip-k-dick-stanislaw-lem-is...
Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (1975) (depauw.edu) 140 points by pmoriarty on June 19, 2018 | hide | past | favorite | 51 comments
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17349026
https://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/5/lem5art.htm
>In 1973, Lem became an honorary member of the Science Fiction Writers of America, a gesture of ‘international goodwill’ on the association’s part. However, in 1976, 70 percent of the SFWA’s voted in favour of a resolution to revoke Lem’s membership. A very quick dismissal for such a prestigious author, but the reasons for his quick ejection from the organisation are clear – he didn’t seem to regard his honorary membership as any sort of honour. He considered American science fiction ‘ill thought out, poorly written, and interested more in adventure that ideas or new literary forms’ and ‘bad writing tacked together with wooden dialogue’, and these are just a few examples of Lem’s deprecatory attitude towards the US branch of his genre.
>Lem, however, considered one science fiction author as exempt from his scathing criticisms – his denouncer, Philip K. Dick. The title of an essay Lem published about Dick is evidence enough of this high regard: A Visionary Among the Charlatans. The essay itself waxes lyrical on Dick’s many excellent qualities as a writer, and expounds upon the dire state of US sci-fi. Lem considered Dick to be the only writer exempt from his cynical view of American SF. It seems likely that Dick was unaware of Lem’s high opinion of him and that he took Lem’s disparaging comments personally, stating in his letter to the FBI:
>"Lem’s creative abilities now appear to have been overrated and Lem’s crude, insulting and downright ignorant attacks on American science fiction and American science fiction writers went too far too fast and alienated everyone but the Party faithful (I am one of those highly alienated)."
dr-detroit 3 days ago | root | parent |
“The door refused to open. It said, "Five cents, please.”
Nobody tell Elon this is a thing.
DonHopkins 2 days ago | root | parent |
I pity the fool trying to escape from a burning Tesla without a nickel!
vijayr02 2 days ago | root | parent |
Your lack of ambition is disturbing...
If the Tesla is on fire, the price is much higher!
DonHopkins 2 days ago | root | parent |
For the right price, you can buy a Presidential Pardon after a hit-and-run before arriving at your destination on time. Tesla will even call the police car chase off in real time.
account-5 3 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |
Scotland yard lieutenant... Has there ever been such a UK police rank?
k1t 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
According to Wikipedia, no.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_ranks_of_the_United_K...
There were ranks of Lieutenant and Detective Lieutenant, but only in Scotland and only until about 1950.
pndy 3 days ago | root | parent |
I'd guess that Lem used lieutenant rank from citizens' militia (which was back then the police force in Polish People's Republic), not knowing about rank changes in the UK - it was replaced by chief inspector as you linked. goodreads.com uses "Lt. Gregory" in book summary so it's not a translation issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_inspector#United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant#United_Kingdom_and_...
alexey-salmin 3 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |
You may also enjoy the Running Nose by Lem. Core idea is somewhat similar to the Investigation but this book offers a more satisfying ending.
cgh 2 days ago | root | parent |
I think the English translation is The Chain of Chance. Great book.
zyklu5 3 days ago | root | parent | prev |
Thank you so much for this! I have read a fair amount of Lem but somehow completely missed this one.
Ekaros 3 days ago | prev | next |
This type of research is necessary if we want to do forensic pathology. Location affects fauna involved. And also weather and seasons affects how it progresses. One example I read was that different insects are present at different stages. So based on their cycles you can narrow down time of death somewhat.
femto 3 days ago | prev | next |
> which lies in a secret location outside of Sydney, Australia
A bit of poetic license there? An aerial photo and lat/long are in this paper.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Aerial-view-of-the-Austr...
Here it is on Google Maps:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/33%C2%B038'51.4%22S+150%C2...
sandworm101 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
There is a nuance between "secret" as used in "top secret" and secret as in "secretary". The later means more private than hidden from view. This is a secret location because the general public is not allowed to visit.
andyjohnson0 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
"Secret" also meaning "private" may be a distinction in some languages [1], but not in contemporary English.
[1] a well-known example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Apostolic_Archive#%E...
JCharante 3 days ago | root | parent | prev |
why not just say private location? My house is a private place, but it's not a secret.
sandworm101 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
Maybe because "private" in English can also mean non-publicly-owned, ie in private hands. This facility could easily be a publicly-owned and yet not open to the public. English is weird.
have_faith 3 days ago | root | parent |
Then it's simply restricted.
DonHopkins 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
How about "stinky", if the goal is to discourage corpse tourism while being technically accurate and honest.
rc5150 3 days ago | root | parent | prev |
Why is everyone arguing about the semantics here? Why don't we just start a zoom call with the author and complain together?
whycome 3 days ago | root | parent | prev |
What’s your address?
ceejayoz 3 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |
Area 51 is also a secret facility. We all know where it is, though.
3 days ago | root | parent | prev |
kseistrup 3 days ago | prev | next |
My favourite sentence from the article: »I have had a case of body moving across a table due to maggot activity.« :D
j6m8 3 days ago | prev | next |
To those who are interested in reading more, I recommend Mary Roach's "Stiff" (and all her other work too!) highly highly highly!
AngryData 3 days ago | prev | next |
Is anyone actually surprised that a decomposing body isn't perfectly static?
FartyMcFarter 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
For me the question is, why would it be static? A piece of fruit decomposing (on a tree or otherwise) clearly doesn't stay static, why would anything else?
lukan 3 days ago | root | parent |
The expectation that the majestiy of death respects the dignity of humans?
(Or too many bad movies and a society that tries to banish the fought of death, instead of accepting it as part of the natural cycle. Also, corpes are usually filled up to the top with formaldehyd.)
thesuitonym 3 days ago | root | parent | prev |
If you read the article it states that they were surprised by how much movement there was, not that there was movement.
foobarian 3 days ago | prev | next |
Ever since I saw body farms on CSI I wanted to sign up to donate my corpse to one of those.
monero-xmr 3 days ago | prev | next |
I had a near death experience when I was 10 years old. I’ve never found a valid scientific explanation for what I observed, considering I never heard of NDEs and this was pre-internet, and I had a classic NDE with a life review etc. Really can’t logically explain this
buovjaga 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
Life review is a stereotypical effect of some psychedelics such as ibogaine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXjLD1tDC7k
Now consider that your body naturally produces psychedelics, including DMT.
igleria 3 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |
I've read a theory about maybe the brain releasing DMT as a panic response to dying? Hopefully you are ok!
perching_aix 3 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |
Considering how clueless we still are regarding how the brain works, and have only started to comprehensively map out the brains of the tiniest organisms, I really don't find it surprising that there's not yet a rigorous or even a reasonable approximate explanation for such a high level experience.
dkga 3 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |
Wow. Glad you are ok! If you are comfortable with this, would you be willing to share what the NDE was like?
monero-xmr 2 days ago | root | parent |
I was choking. I realized I was likely going to die, and I was very disappointed. My vision started to go fade even though my eyes were open. I saw vignettes of my life appear coming from the left, then playing like a video in front of my vision, then fading and going to the right, as the next vignette appeared. I was not scared so much as disappointed. The whole thing lasted somewhere between 30 and 60 seconds, at which point I snapped out of it, and grabbed some stranger's soda and poured it down my throat, which dislodged the food I was choking on.
Karellen 3 days ago | root | parent | prev |
Do you think people who have NDEs only have "classic" NDE symptoms because they've read about them and that's what they expect to experience?
driggs 3 days ago | root | parent |
The poster you're replying to said "I never heard of NDEs" for the exact reason you are mis-correcting: to show that they were NOT simply regurgitating a cultural stereotype, but that it is in fact a real phenomenon.
Here's a tip for the Internet and for Real Life: Assume the most charitable interpretation when conversing with someone, not the least. It is more often correct, and it doesn't make you needlessly look like an asshole.
Karellen 2 days ago | root | parent |
> to show that they were NOT simply regurgitating a cultural stereotype, but that it is in fact a real phenomenon.
Right, but does anyone think that that's what people with NDEs are doing?
I don't get what the poster was trying to say. It's like they're trying to debunk something that doesn't exist to need debunking? And the article isn't even about NDEs, like, at all.
I'm just really confused what the point of the comment was?
kaboomshebang 2 days ago | prev | next |
Is it weird to want to see a time-lapse video of this phenomenon???
31carmichael a day ago | prev | next |
Let's see some video, or it didn't happen.
Finnucane 4 days ago | prev | next |
"Hell, we found one corpse continuing to work as a procurement mananger at a defense contractor for six months before anyone even noticed."
psunavy03 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
Having served in uniform before, this made me come closer than I'd like to spitting out my coffee.
hehbot 3 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |
"Apparently throwing money at senators is a literal no-brainer"
gotoeleven 3 days ago | root | parent | prev |
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raverbashing 3 days ago | prev | next |
So let me guess, the solution is either a stake through the heart or lots and lots of garlic?
rpastuszak 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
Right angles work too, unless they carry a crucifix glitch inhibitor.
DonHopkins 3 days ago | root | parent | prev |
How does making corpses taste delicious make them stop moving?
jalk 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
If it was a steak through the heart, then maybe.
butlike 3 days ago | root | parent | prev |
Increases probability of fork and knife.
nottorp 3 days ago | prev | next |
... except in the loa worshipping areas, where you can get a few good years of unpaid labor out of a corpse?
rolph 3 days ago | prev | next |
jppope 3 days ago | prev | next |
Finished for the day, I guess I'll just check hacker news before I go to bed...
... and now that sleep is off the table, time to research zombies on wikipedia
sonofhans 3 days ago | root | parent | next |
Here, this’lll help — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Serpent_and_the_Rainbow_(b...
jppope 3 days ago | root | parent |
I actually loved that movie (though dated even when I saw it) and have been hoping someone would remake it. Bill Pullman was great though
larusso 3 days ago | root | parent | prev |
Well for me it’s my morning commute read. Let’s see how often during the day this comes back up.
klingonAI 3 days ago | prev | next |
[dead]
hulitu 3 days ago | prev | next |
> Human corpses keep moving for over a year after death, scientist says (2019)
Some of them were even presidents. /s
freddealmeida 3 days ago | prev |
we are never really dead
vardump 3 days ago | root | parent |
Elvis is still alive 48 light years away.
andrewaylett 4 days ago | next |
I found this to be fascinating -- for those who may not have read the fine article, the movement isn't autonomic, it's due to the decomposition process. But studying what happens to a corpse between death and discovery is quite challenging, and I'm impressed that they devised a suitable experiment and were able to carry it out.